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Meditative Penance

Postby atonement on Thu Apr 03, 2008 1:38 pm

I had an unexpected experience recently. As discussed in other threads, as well as prayer and penace, I also practice, stutteringly, disciplined meditation techniques such bas breathing exercises. Normally I manage up to 15 to 20 minutes of serious mediatiton before I lose concentration. I normally simply lie down or am in a seated position whilst meditating.

Yesterday however I chose to sit cross legged, probably simply because the view from my hotel balcony was a wonderous site but the balcony was very small so cross legged seemed the best option. Having settled into a breathing rhythm and looking out over God's creation, I closed my eyes and began my exercise. Now to the point:

I managed about 5 minutes before the pain in my knees and other tendons became very noticeable. I recognised this pain as not of the 'serious' kind, ie, I was not doing myself any real damage, it was just that my limbs were not used to being in such a position. I decided to take advantage of my already meditative state to begin some prayers that I sometimes use when wearing the cilice chain. The pain became intolerable about 10 minutes later and I ceased my meditation/penance. It was a rewarding experience and I gave thanks to God for showing me that oppurtunity, especially as hotel rooms and visits abroad have been problematic for me in the past and this prayerful time on the balcony showed me once more how fortunate I am to have found redemption in the Lord.

Does anyone else have experience of this type of penance?
“Now I rejoice in my sufferings for your sake, and in my flesh I complete what is lacking in Christ’s afflictions for the sake of his body, that is, the church” (St. Paul, Col. 1:24).
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Re: Meditative Penance

Postby mark on Sun Apr 06, 2008 11:04 am

Thank you for that. I know what you mean about hotel rooms and travel abroad - they're often very problemaicl for me too. especially when in a hotal I try to pray/meditate in a position of discomfort.
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Re: Meditative Penance

Postby alex001 on Thu Apr 10, 2008 9:39 am

I read about something similar in Anthony de Mello's book on meditation - but he is talking about less painful experiences during meditation - what he calls "pain without suffering". However, recently a friend gave me a kneeling post which I have been saying my prayers on and also using for meditation. It is not a comfortable way to meditate but it makes it very different to the experience of sitting on my bed and meditating. As well as the discomfort, it helps to stop me from falling asleep when I meditate.
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Re: Meditative Penance

Postby hoc602 on Thu Apr 10, 2008 6:29 pm

I was wondering what a kneeling post is? Thank you for explaining.
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Re: Meditative Penance

Postby alex001 on Fri Apr 11, 2008 8:54 am

I'm not sure if kneeling post is the correct term or not - I think it may be "kneeling bench".


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Re: Meditative Penance

Postby Bro. Paul on Fri Apr 11, 2008 10:08 am

Try - Prie Dieu, or a Prayer Desk

Yes, they are very useful in keeping you from falling to sleep...

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Re: Meditative Penance

Postby dominic on Sat Apr 12, 2008 4:54 am

Bro. Paul wrote:Try - Prie Dieu, or a Prayer Desk

Yes, they are very useful in keeping you from falling to sleep...



Praying with knees bare also helps.
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Re: Meditative Penance

Postby Dark Knight on Mon Apr 14, 2008 8:58 am

A couple of strikes with the Discipline every five minutes or so also helps to keep you alert. A different type of meditation but better than falling asleep . :o
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Re: Meditative Penance

Postby Robert on Mon Apr 21, 2008 6:58 pm

about those "prayer desks"...

how would one go about procuring one of those?
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Re: Meditative Penance

Postby Dark Knight on Mon Apr 21, 2008 9:11 pm

Hi Robert
i just found some on a site called catholicmax they are about $250-$300 USD, you could probaly find them cheaper than that in a reclaimtion yard, :D
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